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>> Catalonia could declare its independence from Spain within days. In his first interview since Sunday's referendum, Carles Puigdemont, the leader of the autonomous region, told the BBC his government would act at the end of this week or the beginning of next. But the independence referendum was deemed illegal by the Spanish government and Reuters Madrid Bureau Chief Julien Toyer says that means the declaration probably won't make any difference.
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>> The results will not be recognized neither by Spain nor by most of the international community. And a declaration of independence would probably run into a brick wall with the international community as well. So material impact, pretty much nothing, but the question is more, what happens in the society and in the country?
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>> Catalonia has already seen exceptional scenes. Some 900 people were injured on polling day after clashing with heavy-handed police. And thousands took to the streets throughout the region on Tuesday in protest. Even Barcelona's famous football team joined the action, locking visitors out of its stadium. Following days of turmoil, Spain's king appeared in a televised address delivering a rare political message.
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>> He had a meeting with Rajoy before the address. So I think the address has been coordinated with the central government. And the impression of everybody here, both in Madrid and Barcelona, of observers on both sides, is that the king was seen not being impartial yesterday, but taking sides with the government.
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>> Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy himself is believed to be busy trying to negotiate the backing of other political forces ahead of his next move. And it's a wait-and-see game to see whether he uses a carrot or a stick in his attempts to get Catalonia back under Madrid's control.
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